The Two Kingdoms Debate

The Two Kingdoms Debate: Should we work to build a Christian Nation

Format of the Debate:
1. Introductory remarks- 5 minutes
2. Opening Statements- 20 minutes each
3. Rebuttals- 8 minutes each
4. Cross Examinations- 15 minutes each
Break- 10 minutes total
5. Closing Statements- 10 minutes each
6. Audience Q & A- 30 minutes

King and Servant Show 15

Jonathan and Bryan discuss eschatology and the sensationalism that often surrounds modern end time scenarios. Jonathan lays the foundations of a more biblical eschatology, which is primarily focused on consummation of redemptive history.

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King and Servant Show 14

Jonathan gives a report on last weeks debate in Seattle and then devotes the rest of the show to the subject of sanctification, centering around an exegetical study of Romans 7

King and Servant Show 13

Jonathan and Bryan answer some emails and then talk about two kingdom theology and the debate this weekend in Seattle.


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King and Servant Show 12

Jonathan and Bryan discuss the doctrine of sin by tracing it's history from Eden to the modern day, explaining how sin is more to do with man's vain attempt for autonomy and deification than it is his fall from moralistic social standards.

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King and Servant Show 11

Jonathan goes solo for this show and talks about life after death and its unavoidable realities.

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King and Servant Show 10

Jonathan is joined by guest Pastor Stephen Goundry (his father) to discuss Christian missionary work, and how the western church can better equip those who will go.

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King and Servant Show 9

Jonathan and Bryan discuss how to best study the bible in personal devotional time without negating any passages but at same recognizing the covenantal structure of the bible, allowing for a contextual understanding of both the Old and New Testament scriptures.

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King and Servant Show 8

Jonathan and Bryan discuss the doctrine of glorification and why it often overlooked and forgotten by many believers, and how this can lead to a pessimistic view of the future and a defeatist attitude in the present.

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King and Servant Show 7

Jonathan and Bryan discuss the importance of understanding the relationship between historic Calvinism and paradoxical theology and how it logical gives room for the well-meant offer of the gospel, the two-wills of God and common grace.

King and Servant Show 6

Jonathan and Bryan discuss Christian evangelism and why many Christians struggle to share and proclaim the gospel.

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King and Servant Show 5

Jonathan and Bryan explore the worship spectrum, discussing the new testament view of the regulative principle and how it can be both abused and neglected.

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King and Servant Show 4

Jonathan and Bryan discuss what it means to be covenantally blessed or cursed, and how modern definitions of such terms are inadequate.

King and Servant Show 3

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Jonathan and Bryan discuss the significance of Words, Symbols and Images and how all three are used in every day life to communicate ideas and thought.

King and Servant Show 2

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Jonathan and Bryan discuss God's Sovereignty and the importance of not just knowing this truth but living out this truth in our daily lives.

King and Servant Show 1

King and Servant Show 1

Jonathan and Bryan discuss the purpose of the show and the importance of paradoxical theology and it application to Christian Living

Our Union with Christ

Our Union with Christ Listen here

I. What is union?
Close relation
Brought together in harmony with out blurring of distinct parts
It is intimate life

II. Union with Christ in eternity past
Covenant of redemption (John 6:37-41)
God’s eternal decrees (Tit 1;2-3)
Election and Predestination (Eph 1:3-7)

III. Union at the cross
Forensic Penal Substitutionary atonement (rom 3:23-30)
Crucified with Christ (Gal 2:20)
Christ living and dying in our place (Rom 5:19)

IV. Legal Union
Justification by faith alone (Rom 5:1)
Adoption (Gal 4:5)

V. Spiritual Union
Intellectual union (1 Cor 2:16)
Vital Union (Rom 6:1-4)
Mystical Union (Eph 3:17-21)

VI. Union in Sanctification
Think as Christ does 1 Cor 2:16
Feel as Christ does Phillip 2:5
Love what Christ love John 13:34-35
Hate what Christ hates Rev 2:6

The goal is to be like Christ. This is only way to truly live, everything is pseudo life

Seeing the Invisible

Seeing the Invisible Listen Here

I. God is Invisible
God is Spirit Non-Spatial and atemporal John 4:24, 1 Tim 1:17
No one can see God in His fullness, John 1:18, 1 John 4:12
Not even in Glory 1 Tim 6:16

II. We love the one we can not see
We love God who we can not see (1 John 4:20)
We love Christ who we can not see at this time (1 Pet 1:8)
We born again by the Spirit which is not seen (John 3:8 )

III. Why is God not seen by the natural eye
So that we will not die (Exodus 33:20)
So that Great Commission can be fulfilled (Matt 28:20)
So that we have a sure hope (Rom 5:1-5)

IV. We are to look to the invisible
A. We changed from glory to glory by the spirit (2 Cor 3:16-18)
B. Even though the natural man dies we have eternal life (2 Cor 4:16:18
C. Trust God who raises the dead (2 Cor 1:7:10)

The Federal Vision Debate: The Covenant of Grace

Do all New Covenant Members persevere onto final salvation?

Part 1
Part 2

Part 3

I. The Nature of the Triune God (Isa 6:3)
Holy and Just
Personal and Relational, which includes love and goodness
Therefore His Relationship to His creation most be holy and just

II. Bicovenantalism
Covenant of Works
Covenant of Grace
Mono-covenantalism denies Law – Gospel distinction

III. Overview of Covenants
Edenic Covenant (Works)
Adamic Covenant (Promise)
Noahic Covenant (Dominion)
Abrahamic Covenant (Royal Grant)
Mosaic Covenant (Typological Kingdom)
Davidic Covenant (Messianic)
New Covenant (Salvation)

IV. Ordo Salutis and Historia Salutis (Gal 3:29)
Man is always saved the same way (ordo salutis)
But the Covenant of Grace matures in redemptive History (Historia Salutis)
Old Testament Covenants fulfilled in Christ

V. Constitution of the New Covenant (Heb 8:10-12)
In Christ’s blood
Entirely salvific
All in the covenant are saved
No covenant breakers

VI. Therefore all New Covenant Members will persevere onto to final salvation

The Federal Vision Debate: The Covenant of Works

Covenant of Works Defended

Part 1

Part 2


I. Adam under a Covenant of Works Hosea 6:7
A. Like Adam Israel broke the Covenant
B. Job 31:33 as Adam
C. Rom 5:14 Solidarity between Adam and Christ

II. Works of the Law (Gal 3:5,12)
A. Works is obedience to the commandments (Gal 3:12)
B. Not based upon faith
C. Faith is antithetical to works
D. Faith is an empty hand

III. Strict Justice (Gal 3:10-12)
A. Cursed is He who breaks the Law (Jam 2:10-11)
B. Eternal Punishment is strict justice (Rev 20:11-15)
C. Wages for work rendered is not grace but justice (Rom 4:4)

IV. Meritorious (Rom 5:18, 7:10)
A. The Law is ordained to life (Rom 7:10)
B. Can earn eternal life by keeping all the law (Mark 10:17-21)
C. Full obedience would have resulted in Adams justification (Rom 5:18)

V. The Covenant Grace
A. Only exists in the context of satisfied justice (Rom 3:25)
B. Covenant of Grace is demerited favor (Eph 2:1-8)
C. Justification is not maintained through faithful obedience (Phillip 3:7-10)
D. Justification is not eschatological (Rom 5:1)